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		<title>Comment on Controversia Scientia by Lisa Keranen</title>
		<link>http://sscottgraham.com/archives/273/comment-page-1#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Keranen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott--Congratulations on your new job. Vancouver is such a great city. How lucky you are. I&#039;ll confess that I was surprised to see my name on your blog today when I checked in. Thanks for engaging my work. I was further intrigued to see that you read me as grounding my work in Aristotle. I was trying to rehabilitate an older sense of term: &quot;ethos, however, is more complicated than its Aristotelean rendering&quot; (26). I once almost leapt out of my chair at a conference to contradict a speaker who called my book &quot;Aristotelean.&quot; Funny, then, that I still am not escaping that read. Ah, well. I do appreciate the mention and hope you are enjoying your new town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott&#8211;Congratulations on your new job. Vancouver is such a great city. How lucky you are. I&#8217;ll confess that I was surprised to see my name on your blog today when I checked in. Thanks for engaging my work. I was further intrigued to see that you read me as grounding my work in Aristotle. I was trying to rehabilitate an older sense of term: &#8220;ethos, however, is more complicated than its Aristotelean rendering&#8221; (26). I once almost leapt out of my chair at a conference to contradict a speaker who called my book &#8220;Aristotelean.&#8221; Funny, then, that I still am not escaping that read. Ah, well. I do appreciate the mention and hope you are enjoying your new town.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How big is Rhetoric of Science and Medicine? by Review of Epistemology of the Concrete (Rheinberger)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Review of Epistemology of the Concrete (Rheinberger)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] historiographic epistemology. Of course those of you with an extensive reading knowledge of STS and STEM rhetorics will note that this argument has been made for sometime—prominently by Latour and Woolgar’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] historiographic epistemology. Of course those of you with an extensive reading knowledge of STS and STEM rhetorics will note that this argument has been made for sometime—prominently by Latour and Woolgar’s [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How big is Rhetoric of Science and Medicine? by Scott</title>
		<link>http://sscottgraham.com/archives/236/comment-page-1#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you like it. I hope to roll out one or two more blog posts with this dataset. I  may even scale it up into a full-fledged article some day. Of course, all of this is dependent on time. 

No Pankration--had to look it up, actually. I&#039;ve got a degree black belt in taekwondo, but mostly I do hapkido these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you like it. I hope to roll out one or two more blog posts with this dataset. I  may even scale it up into a full-fledged article some day. Of course, all of this is dependent on time. </p>
<p>No Pankration&#8211;had to look it up, actually. I&#8217;ve got a degree black belt in taekwondo, but mostly I do hapkido these days.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How big is Rhetoric of Science and Medicine? by Gregory Zobel</title>
		<link>http://sscottgraham.com/archives/236/comment-page-1#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Zobel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love short, efficient, interesting, and useful articles like this. Honestly, it would be great if this brief and data driven approach would become a genre. Not sure what to call it, but still...

This is the kind of information I like to see and read. Do you plan on doing more work like this, or was this a one-off?

BTW, your Twitter profile mentions you practice martial arts, but there&#039;s no such information here on your blog. Pankration, perhaps?

gz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love short, efficient, interesting, and useful articles like this. Honestly, it would be great if this brief and data driven approach would become a genre. Not sure what to call it, but still&#8230;</p>
<p>This is the kind of information I like to see and read. Do you plan on doing more work like this, or was this a one-off?</p>
<p>BTW, your Twitter profile mentions you practice martial arts, but there&#8217;s no such information here on your blog. Pankration, perhaps?</p>
<p>gz</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cosmopolitics I-1 by Paul</title>
		<link>http://sscottgraham.com/archives/188/comment-page-1#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you don’t mind this comment falling out of the blue. I just read Stengers’ book and googled a query which brought me here!
I’m an artist, with just the vaguest grasp of science – if that! – but I find Stengers important in many ways. There’s something almost rehabilitative in what she says.
As she speculates about the (re)presentation of the sciences within our culture, I think she implies a renewal of the space into which art (and other practices) can play a more visible role. As an essentially ‘fetishist’ and phenomenon based practice, art has found itself in a strangely isolated position. The very closing line says it all:

“phenomena can be subordinated because those who are interested in them are themselves subordinate, left behind by revolutionary physics.”

This strikes me as very astute. Even art’s presentation to itself seems to have accepted this subordinate role: Art becomes ‘social comment’ or ‘societies mirror’ – but not effective (or mobilised) in the way we generally find science to be. Jung (as an ‘arch-modern’) gave this an interesting turn. It could almost be said that he regarded the practice of art as a symptom! Whenever he wrote of his famous ‘Red Book’, he would always emphasise that he was painting and writing within a practice of science – not art. Art cast a shadow for him (a fetish) which he couldn’t accept for himself. (here I am analysing Jung!)

This looks to me very much like Stengers’ critique of psychoanalysis: the assumption that one practice can somehow be obligated, and made subordinate, by another. If that case can be proven, then let it be, but if not, we can only describe it as an act of war.

This, I think, is why she emphasises binaries (indeed multiplicities) so strongly. She encourages us to make distinctions (to see differences) at every turn so as to allow practices to emerge within a recognised ecology. That ‘not all are equal’ speaks of difference and movement (I think!?)– rather than a hierarchy – which I believe she would oppose. ‘Worth’ (if that&#039;s the right word) becomes fluid. We might perceive a given practice as ‘less equal’ (subordinate and rejected) only to find it re-emerging in the way we address ourselves to a new question. (The rejected stone!)

Well, just initial thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you don’t mind this comment falling out of the blue. I just read Stengers’ book and googled a query which brought me here!<br />
I’m an artist, with just the vaguest grasp of science – if that! – but I find Stengers important in many ways. There’s something almost rehabilitative in what she says.<br />
As she speculates about the (re)presentation of the sciences within our culture, I think she implies a renewal of the space into which art (and other practices) can play a more visible role. As an essentially ‘fetishist’ and phenomenon based practice, art has found itself in a strangely isolated position. The very closing line says it all:</p>
<p>“phenomena can be subordinated because those who are interested in them are themselves subordinate, left behind by revolutionary physics.”</p>
<p>This strikes me as very astute. Even art’s presentation to itself seems to have accepted this subordinate role: Art becomes ‘social comment’ or ‘societies mirror’ – but not effective (or mobilised) in the way we generally find science to be. Jung (as an ‘arch-modern’) gave this an interesting turn. It could almost be said that he regarded the practice of art as a symptom! Whenever he wrote of his famous ‘Red Book’, he would always emphasise that he was painting and writing within a practice of science – not art. Art cast a shadow for him (a fetish) which he couldn’t accept for himself. (here I am analysing Jung!)</p>
<p>This looks to me very much like Stengers’ critique of psychoanalysis: the assumption that one practice can somehow be obligated, and made subordinate, by another. If that case can be proven, then let it be, but if not, we can only describe it as an act of war.</p>
<p>This, I think, is why she emphasises binaries (indeed multiplicities) so strongly. She encourages us to make distinctions (to see differences) at every turn so as to allow practices to emerge within a recognised ecology. That ‘not all are equal’ speaks of difference and movement (I think!?)– rather than a hierarchy – which I believe she would oppose. ‘Worth’ (if that&#8217;s the right word) becomes fluid. We might perceive a given practice as ‘less equal’ (subordinate and rejected) only to find it re-emerging in the way we address ourselves to a new question. (The rejected stone!)</p>
<p>Well, just initial thoughts!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Waddell, C. (1990). The role of pathos in the decision-making process: A study in the rhetoric of science policy. Quarterly Journal of Speech, 76, 381-400. by Kathy Kieva</title>
		<link>http://sscottgraham.com/archives/37/comment-page-1#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Kieva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I referred to this article by Waddell (the reprint version) in a paper I wrote for a graduate-level class in Rhetorical Theory. As someone with an undergraduate degree in engineering who is going for her Master&#039;s in Professional Writing (almost done!), I am endlessly fascinated by the role that rhetoric plays in the sciences, almost without being noticed. We think (and scientist&#039;s themselves think) that science is all about, or strictly, logical, when in fact it is anything but, as Waddell&#039;s article points out.

In my own reading of Waddell&#039;s exploration of the role of pathos in scientific discourse, he seems to go beyond simply reminding scientists to &quot;pay attention&quot; to the role of pathos and ethos. He goes so far as to caution us that too heavy a reliance on logos at the expense of pathos may actually rob us of the ability to make wise decisions since we would be lacking the moral compass that emotions can provide us. 

In comparing the testimonies given by Dr. David Nathan, the Chief of Hemotology and Oncology at Children&#039;s Hospital in Boston, and George Wald, a professor of biology at Harvard, Waddell points out that there wasn&#039;t much of a contest between Dr. Nathan&#039;s emotional appeal of suffering children with names and faces and Wald&#039;s &quot;three billion years of evolution.&quot; Emotional appeals have also been part of the debate on stem cell research, in which the anti-stem cell advocates use terms such as &quot;pre-born children&quot; and &quot;snow-flake babies&quot; to refer to frozen embryos left over from fertility treatments, while the pro-stem cell advocates describe embryonic stem cells in almost magical terms, citing the &quot;almost unlimited potential&quot; of these cells. We can come up with multiple instances in science today in which pathos and ethos are prominent players, while the scientists using these rhetorical tools are (mostly) oblivious to the fact they are using them.

I think that while rhetorical scholars may not need to be reminded of the profoundly rhetorical nature of science, scientists themselves could use an occasional refresher course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I referred to this article by Waddell (the reprint version) in a paper I wrote for a graduate-level class in Rhetorical Theory. As someone with an undergraduate degree in engineering who is going for her Master&#8217;s in Professional Writing (almost done!), I am endlessly fascinated by the role that rhetoric plays in the sciences, almost without being noticed. We think (and scientist&#8217;s themselves think) that science is all about, or strictly, logical, when in fact it is anything but, as Waddell&#8217;s article points out.</p>
<p>In my own reading of Waddell&#8217;s exploration of the role of pathos in scientific discourse, he seems to go beyond simply reminding scientists to &#8220;pay attention&#8221; to the role of pathos and ethos. He goes so far as to caution us that too heavy a reliance on logos at the expense of pathos may actually rob us of the ability to make wise decisions since we would be lacking the moral compass that emotions can provide us. </p>
<p>In comparing the testimonies given by Dr. David Nathan, the Chief of Hemotology and Oncology at Children&#8217;s Hospital in Boston, and George Wald, a professor of biology at Harvard, Waddell points out that there wasn&#8217;t much of a contest between Dr. Nathan&#8217;s emotional appeal of suffering children with names and faces and Wald&#8217;s &#8220;three billion years of evolution.&#8221; Emotional appeals have also been part of the debate on stem cell research, in which the anti-stem cell advocates use terms such as &#8220;pre-born children&#8221; and &#8220;snow-flake babies&#8221; to refer to frozen embryos left over from fertility treatments, while the pro-stem cell advocates describe embryonic stem cells in almost magical terms, citing the &#8220;almost unlimited potential&#8221; of these cells. We can come up with multiple instances in science today in which pathos and ethos are prominent players, while the scientists using these rhetorical tools are (mostly) oblivious to the fact they are using them.</p>
<p>I think that while rhetorical scholars may not need to be reminded of the profoundly rhetorical nature of science, scientists themselves could use an occasional refresher course.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dissertation Defense by christa</title>
		<link>http://sscottgraham.com/archives/112/comment-page-1#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>christa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 13:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think #4 must have been about the theory of agency/regulation.

Thanks for unpacking #3. Some really smart, interesting points you&#039;re making...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think #4 must have been about the theory of agency/regulation.</p>
<p>Thanks for unpacking #3. Some really smart, interesting points you&#8217;re making&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dissertation Defense by Scott</title>
		<link>http://sscottgraham.com/archives/112/comment-page-1#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Christa. So the first thing I discovered from your comment is that when I copied and pasted this list into wordpress it made the order all janky. Thus, I immediately felt the need to fix it. Of course after all that was done, I then realized that the numbers had changed and while I know 3 is now Disciplinary Project 3, I&#039;m not as sure about 4. 

I can unpack Disciplinary Project 3, though: 
DiscProj 3A This is just an explicit shift away from the late 80s &amp; 90s tendency in our field (that continues somewhat to the present) to justify studying science because it&#039;s the coolest thing out there--either A) because it&#039;s discovering the &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt;truths out there, or b) because scientists &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; truly great rhetors. My research focuses on the medical-industrial complex. As such, it&#039;s overtly critical. 

DiscProj 3B I accept Latour&#039;s argument from &lt;i&gt;We have never been modern&lt;/i&gt; that postmodernity just accepts modernity&#039;s binaries and merely reverses which side gets privileged. I hope to contribute to a model of inquiry that truly erases binaries.

DiscProj 3C Here I&#039;m riffing on  Collins, H., &amp; Evans, R. (2002). The Third Wave of Science Studies: Studies of Expertise and Experience. Social Studies of Science, 32(2), 235-296.  They argue that STS needs to move away from a solely critical project towards one that actually contributes to the ways in which science and science-policy are developed. 

If you let me know what I&#039;ve renumbered 4 as, I&#039;d be happy to take a whack at unpacking that too-- though I&#039;d probably save that for an actual blog post as you suggest. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Christa. So the first thing I discovered from your comment is that when I copied and pasted this list into wordpress it made the order all janky. Thus, I immediately felt the need to fix it. Of course after all that was done, I then realized that the numbers had changed and while I know 3 is now Disciplinary Project 3, I&#8217;m not as sure about 4. </p>
<p>I can unpack Disciplinary Project 3, though:<br />
DiscProj 3A This is just an explicit shift away from the late 80s &#038; 90s tendency in our field (that continues somewhat to the present) to justify studying science because it&#8217;s the coolest thing out there&#8211;either A) because it&#8217;s discovering the <i>real</i>truths out there, or b) because scientists <i>are</i> truly great rhetors. My research focuses on the medical-industrial complex. As such, it&#8217;s overtly critical. </p>
<p>DiscProj 3B I accept Latour&#8217;s argument from <i>We have never been modern</i> that postmodernity just accepts modernity&#8217;s binaries and merely reverses which side gets privileged. I hope to contribute to a model of inquiry that truly erases binaries.</p>
<p>DiscProj 3C Here I&#8217;m riffing on  Collins, H., &#038; Evans, R. (2002). The Third Wave of Science Studies: Studies of Expertise and Experience. Social Studies of Science, 32(2), 235-296.  They argue that STS needs to move away from a solely critical project towards one that actually contributes to the ways in which science and science-policy are developed. </p>
<p>If you let me know what I&#8217;ve renumbered 4 as, I&#8217;d be happy to take a whack at unpacking that too&#8211; though I&#8217;d probably save that for an actual blog post as you suggest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dissertation Defense by christa</title>
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		<dc:creator>christa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 23:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott. I&#039;d love to hear more about numbers 3, 4. I&#039;m sure they&#039;re impossible to unpack in a simple blog comment, but maybe you might think about structuring a blog post related to one or both (or a fraction)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott. I&#8217;d love to hear more about numbers 3, 4. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re impossible to unpack in a simple blog comment, but maybe you might think about structuring a blog post related to one or both (or a fraction)?</p>
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